EXISTING REGULATIONS
Reg 35.15-35.22 Saturday (and Sunday 50 and Super 20)
Last reviewed 2019
WHAT'S THIS ABOUT?
Player eligibility for finals always seem to cause problems.
COMMENTS
They shouldn't. Players need to have 4 games recorded through the Saturday season (or 3 through the Sunday 50 and Super 20 competitions) to be eligible to play in a final.
This should be quite easy to organise since the data is all available on MyCricket.
The finals eligibility rules are necessary for competition integrity. If a team plays well enough through the season to make the final it is reasonable to expect that some mostly that team is the one that appears in the finals.
If you were to face a team in your final which includes a bunch of higher grade players from some other team/club/competition then the final is not fair or sporting. This rule prevents that occurring.
There is a clause which permits approval for players with 3 games on application/approval. This leads to the oddly specific rule flat out denying eligibility for 2 game players. (See Reg 35.17)
Yet every March there seems to be at least a few teams which have a players crisis which leads to special pleading and hard decisions (and wailing and gnashing of teeth and various other hellish scenarios... )
Are the rules we have clear
enough? Is this
disregard due to dumbness, laziness or carelessness? Or is there a plain communication issue?
Maybe more publicity for/emphasis on this section of the rules is needed. (Or a simplified rewrite?)
| EXISTING REGULATIONS | WHAT DOES IT MEAN? (in plain terms) |
| PLAYER ELIGIBILITY FOR SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES | |
| For Saturday Two Day Matches | |
| 35.15
To be eligible to play in a SEMI FINAL or GRAND FINAL MATCH a player
must have appeared in at least 4 matches of the current season of
Saturday Competition matches in that particular grade or a lower grade. |
To be in a final a player must have 4 games in the season in that grade or a lower grade. (Nothing about the same team but... see below...) |
| 35.16 Any exceptions to Playing Regulation 35.15 must be submitted to the Management Committee for approval. |
Any questions ask ManCom/Cricketops. |
| 35.17 Request for exception of a player who has appeared in two or less matches in the current season in that particular grade or a lower grade will be denied in all cases. | 3 game players might be approved on application. 2 game players are a 'no'. |
| 35.18 Players listed for abandoned or forfeited matches count toward qualification for SEMI FINAL and GRAND FINAL MATCHES. See Playing Regulation 13. | Washouts count as a game (as long as the team list is entered into MyCricket.) |
| 35.19 When a club has consecutive teams in SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES a maximum of 2 eligible players may be downgraded from the higher grade team to the next lower grade team without approval. | For a big club with several teams, if the B team makes a final then 2 players from the next team up (B1 or A) can be downgraded to be eligible for the B team final. Note this is quite DIFFERENT to Reg 4.5 which applies in the Round matches only. |
| 35.20 Any player downgraded as in Playing Regulation 35.19 for a SEMI FINAL MATCH will become ineligible for the GRAND FINAL MATCH if the higher grade team is eliminated. | In a case where a club with several teams makes a B final, the A downgrades (see 35.19) for the SEMI final become ineligible for the B team GRAND Final. |
| 35.21 All other player downgrades in SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES are not permitted unless approval is granted by the Management Committee. | Any other downgrade must seek approval from ManCom/CricketOps. |
| 35.22 See Playing Regulation 4.5 for additional finals eligibility conditions. | Go read Reg 4.5 |
TWO TEAMS FROM THE SAME CLUB IN THE SAME GRADE
This last season (2020/21) we had a new problem.
Souths Juniors were able to field a late second team which was admitted to the C2 competition in October. This was very welcome both by the C2 competition (and the Association) since it eliminated a bye each week for the remainder of the season.
For various reasons which seemed convenient at the time it was decided to add the new team to C2...... which was THE SAME grade that already featured another Souths Juniors team.
The Management Committee did not anticipate that when one Souths Juniors team made the finals and the other didn't that there would be call for players from the not qualified team to be added to the qualified team for their final.
The ethics of doing this are muddy at best. In normal circumstances players might be allowed to do this subject to grading rules The decision to approve it or disallow it is usually dealt with by grading rules. Two teams from one club would normally be an A and a B grade. Players from A would need clearance to go down to the B game. B graders can go up to A without restriction but after 3 games they are regarded as 'A'. (See Reg 4.4)
Reg 35.15 needs rewording to prevent same grade but different team qualifications -
citing the case of Souths Juniors A + B in C2 grade in 2020/21.
In the special case where a club has two teams in the same grade
players from one team are not eligible for finals played by the
other team (unless they have 4 matches with other team somehow.)
Note: a hot tip from an insider.... here's what the Premier Cricket Regulations says on this topic.
"From 22. Quarter Finals, Semi Finals and Finals – Premier Cricket Competitions
22.1 Eligibility
[K] Where a Club has two [2] or more teams in the one Grade, a player must have played at least eight days with the team they propose to play with (or in a lower Grade) in the Finals Matches.
"
[K] Where a Club has two [2] or more teams in the one Grade, a player must have played at least eight days with the team they propose to play with (or in a lower Grade) in the Finals Matches.
"
So a restructure or add something minimal (keeping the existing rules)?
PROPOSALS
| EXISTING REGULATIONS | PROPOSED NEW REGULATIONS |
| PLAYER ELIGIBILITY FOR SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES | PLAYER ELIGIBILITY FOR SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES |
| For Saturday Two Day Matches | For Saturday Two Day Matches |
| 35.15 To be eligible to play in a SEMI FINAL or GRAND FINAL MATCH a player must have appeared in at least 4 matches of the current season of Saturday Competition matches in that particular grade or a lower grade. | 35.15 To be eligible to play in a SEMI FINAL or GRAND FINAL MATCH of the Saturday competition a player must have appeared in 4 matches of the current season * for the same club * in the same grade (or a lower grade) * for the same team (or the same club in a lower grade) |
| 35.16 Note: in the case of clubs with more than one team in a single grade this means that players can not become eligible using games played in the other team in that grade. | |
| 35.16 Any exceptions to Playing Regulation 35.15 must be submitted to the Management Committee for approval. | 35.17 Any exceptions to Playing Regulation 35.15 must be submitted to the Management Committee for approval. |
| 35.17 Request for exception of a player who has appeared in two or less matches in the current season in that particular grade or a lower grade will be denied in all cases. | 35.18 Request for exception of a player who has appeared in two or less matches in the current season in that particular grade or a lower grade will be denied in all cases. |
| 35.18 Players listed for abandoned or forfeited matches count toward qualification for SEMI FINAL and GRAND FINAL MATCHES. See Playing Regulation 13. | 35.19 Players listed for abandoned or forfeited matches count toward qualification for SEMI FINAL and GRAND FINAL MATCHES. See Playing Regulation 13. |
| 35.19 When a club has consecutive teams in SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES a maximum of 2 eligible players may be downgraded from the higher grade team to the next lower grade team without approval. | 35.20 When a club has consecutive teams in SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES a maximum of 2 eligible players may be downgraded from the higher grade team to the next lower grade team without approval. |
| 35.20 Any player downgraded as in Playing Regulation 35.19 for a SEMI FINAL MATCH will become ineligible for the GRAND FINAL MATCH if the higher grade team is eliminated. | 35.21 Any player downgraded as in Playing Regulation 35.20 for a SEMI FINAL MATCH will become ineligible for the GRAND FINAL MATCH if the higher grade team is eliminated. |
| 35.21 All other player downgrades in SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES are not permitted unless approval is granted by the Management Committee. | 35.22 All other player downgrades in SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES are not permitted unless approval is granted by the Management Committee. |
| 35.22 See Playing Regulation 4.5 for additional finals eligibility conditions. | 35.23 See Playing Regulation 4.5 for additional finals eligibility conditions. |
| UMPIRES IN SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES |
UMPIRES IN SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES |
| 35.23 Official umpires will stand in all SEMI FINAL and GRAND FINAL MATCHES. | 35.24 Official umpires will stand in all SEMI FINAL and GRAND FINAL MATCHES. |
| 35.24 If official umpires are not available, neutral umpires who have passed umpire training examinations approved by the Management Committee will stand. | 35.25 If official umpires are not available, neutral umpires who have passed umpire training examinations approved by the Management Committee will stand. |
Sunday 50 and Super 20 have similar regulations but the only difference is qualification is 3 matches not 4.
| PLAYER ELIGIBILITY FOR SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES |
| For Sunday 50 Over Matches |
35.15 To be eligible to play in a SEMI FINAL or GRAND FINAL MATCH of the Sunday 50 over competition a player must have appeared in 3 matches of the current season * for the same club * in the same grade (or a lower grade) * for the same team (or the same club in a lower grade) |
| 35.16 Note: in the case of clubs with more than one team in a single grade this means that players can not become eligible using games played in the other team in that grade. |
35.16-35.25 same as for Saturday Regulations.
| PLAYER ELIGIBILITY FOR SEMI FINAL AND GRAND FINAL MATCHES |
| For Super 20 Matches |
35.15 To be eligible to play in a SEMI FINAL or GRAND FINAL MATCH of the Super 20 competition a player must have appeared in 3 matches of the current season * for the same club * in the same grade (or a lower grade) * for the same team (or the same club in a lower grade) |
| 35.16 Note: in the case of clubs with more than one team in a single grade this means that players can not become eligible using games played in the other team in that grade. |
35.16-35.25 same as for Saturday Regulations.
ABM 21-Jun-2021 Revised 27-Jun-2021 Again 1-Jul-2021
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